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#37022: "Tournament mode : skip functionality is abused by some players, which ruins the overall experience"
#37022: "Tournament mode : skip functionality is abused by some players, which ruins the overall experience"
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คำอธิบายโดยละเอียด
• โปรดคัดลอก / วางข้อความแสดงข้อผิดพลาดที่คุณเห็นบนหน้าจอหากมี
Need to improve the tournament setup options, so that the "skip player" functionality can be disabled, or is less likely to occur.
This problem is especially prevalent in tournaments with 4+ players per table. Even if one player's time runs out, the majority of players are happy to continue the game, especially if it is nearing the end.
Currently, it is very frustrating for everyone, when someone decides to "skip" a player, especially when only several minutes of over-allocation has past.• โปรดอธิบายสิ่งที่คุณต้องการจะทำสิ่งที่คุณทำและสิ่งที่เกิดขึ้น
• คุณใช้เบราว์เซอร์อะไร?
Google Chrome v89
• โปรดคัดลอก / วางข้อความที่แสดงเป็นภาษาอังกฤษแทนภาษาของคุณ หากคุณมีภาพหน้าจอของข้อบกพร่องนี้ (แนวปฏิบัติที่ดี) คุณสามารถใช้ Imgur.com เพื่ออัปโหลดและคัดลอก / วางลิงค์ที่นี่
Need to improve the tournament setup options, so that the "skip player" functionality can be disabled, or is less likely to occur.
This problem is especially prevalent in tournaments with 4+ players per table. Even if one player's time runs out, the majority of players are happy to continue the game, especially if it is nearing the end.
Currently, it is very frustrating for everyone, when someone decides to "skip" a player, especially when only several minutes of over-allocation has past.• ข้อความนี้มีอยู่ใน ระบบการแปล หรือไม่? ถ้าใช่มันแปลมานานกว่า 24 ชั่วโมงแล้วหรือยัง?
• คุณใช้เบราว์เซอร์อะไร?
Google Chrome v89
• โปรดอธิบายข้อเสนอแนะของคุณอย่างแม่นยำและรัดกุมเพื่อให้ง่ายที่สุดที่จะเข้าใจสิ่งที่คุณหมายถึง
Need to improve the tournament setup options, so that the "skip player" functionality can be disabled, or is less likely to occur.
This problem is especially prevalent in tournaments with 4+ players per table. Even if one player's time runs out, the majority of players are happy to continue the game, especially if it is nearing the end.
Currently, it is very frustrating for everyone, when someone decides to "skip" a player, especially when only several minutes of over-allocation has past.• คุณใช้เบราว์เซอร์อะไร?
Google Chrome v89
• สิ่งที่ปรากฏบนหน้าจอเมื่อคุณถูกบล็อก (หน้าจอว่างเปล่าส่วนหนึ่งของอินเตอร์เฟซเกมข้อความผิดพลาด?)
Need to improve the tournament setup options, so that the "skip player" functionality can be disabled, or is less likely to occur.
This problem is especially prevalent in tournaments with 4+ players per table. Even if one player's time runs out, the majority of players are happy to continue the game, especially if it is nearing the end.
Currently, it is very frustrating for everyone, when someone decides to "skip" a player, especially when only several minutes of over-allocation has past.• คุณใช้เบราว์เซอร์อะไร?
Google Chrome v89
• ส่วนใดของกฎที่ไม่ได้รับความเคารพจากการปรับตัวด้วย BGA
Need to improve the tournament setup options, so that the "skip player" functionality can be disabled, or is less likely to occur.
This problem is especially prevalent in tournaments with 4+ players per table. Even if one player's time runs out, the majority of players are happy to continue the game, especially if it is nearing the end.
Currently, it is very frustrating for everyone, when someone decides to "skip" a player, especially when only several minutes of over-allocation has past.• การละเมิดกฎสามารถมองเห็นได้ในการเล่นซ้ำเกมหรือไม่ ถ้าใช่จะย้ายเบอร์ไหน
• คุณใช้เบราว์เซอร์อะไร?
Google Chrome v89
• แอคชั่นเกมใดที่คุณอยากใช้งาน?
Need to improve the tournament setup options, so that the "skip player" functionality can be disabled, or is less likely to occur.
This problem is especially prevalent in tournaments with 4+ players per table. Even if one player's time runs out, the majority of players are happy to continue the game, especially if it is nearing the end.
Currently, it is very frustrating for everyone, when someone decides to "skip" a player, especially when only several minutes of over-allocation has past.• คุณพยายามทำอะไรเพื่อกระตุ้นการกระทำของเกมนี้?
• เกิดอะไรขึ้นเมื่อคุณพยายามทำสิ่งนี้ (ข้อความแสดงข้อผิดพลาดข้อความแถบสถานะของเกม ... )?
• คุณใช้เบราว์เซอร์อะไร?
Google Chrome v89
• ปัญหาเกิดขึ้นที่ขั้นตอนใดของเกม (คำสั่งเกมปัจจุบันคืออะไร)
Need to improve the tournament setup options, so that the "skip player" functionality can be disabled, or is less likely to occur.
This problem is especially prevalent in tournaments with 4+ players per table. Even if one player's time runs out, the majority of players are happy to continue the game, especially if it is nearing the end.
Currently, it is very frustrating for everyone, when someone decides to "skip" a player, especially when only several minutes of over-allocation has past.• เกิดอะไรขึ้นเมื่อคุณพยายามทำการกระทำของเกม (ข้อความแสดงข้อผิดพลาดข้อความแถบสถานะเกม, ... )
• คุณใช้เบราว์เซอร์อะไร?
Google Chrome v89
• โปรดอธิบายปัญหาการแสดงผล หากคุณมีภาพหน้าจอของข้อบกพร่องนี้ (แนวปฏิบัติที่ดี) คุณสามารถใช้ Imgur.com เพื่ออัปโหลดและคัดลอก / วางลิงค์ที่นี่
Need to improve the tournament setup options, so that the "skip player" functionality can be disabled, or is less likely to occur.
This problem is especially prevalent in tournaments with 4+ players per table. Even if one player's time runs out, the majority of players are happy to continue the game, especially if it is nearing the end.
Currently, it is very frustrating for everyone, when someone decides to "skip" a player, especially when only several minutes of over-allocation has past.• คุณใช้เบราว์เซอร์อะไร?
Google Chrome v89
• โปรดคัดลอก / วางข้อความที่แสดงเป็นภาษาอังกฤษแทนภาษาของคุณ หากคุณมีภาพหน้าจอของข้อบกพร่องนี้ (แนวปฏิบัติที่ดี) คุณสามารถใช้ Imgur.com เพื่ออัปโหลดและคัดลอก / วางลิงค์ที่นี่
Need to improve the tournament setup options, so that the "skip player" functionality can be disabled, or is less likely to occur.
This problem is especially prevalent in tournaments with 4+ players per table. Even if one player's time runs out, the majority of players are happy to continue the game, especially if it is nearing the end.
Currently, it is very frustrating for everyone, when someone decides to "skip" a player, especially when only several minutes of over-allocation has past.• ข้อความนี้มีอยู่ใน ระบบการแปล หรือไม่? ถ้าใช่มันแปลมานานกว่า 24 ชั่วโมงแล้วหรือยัง?
• คุณใช้เบราว์เซอร์อะไร?
Google Chrome v89
• โปรดอธิบายข้อเสนอแนะของคุณอย่างแม่นยำและรัดกุมเพื่อให้ง่ายที่สุดที่จะเข้าใจสิ่งที่คุณหมายถึง
Need to improve the tournament setup options, so that the "skip player" functionality can be disabled, or is less likely to occur.
This problem is especially prevalent in tournaments with 4+ players per table. Even if one player's time runs out, the majority of players are happy to continue the game, especially if it is nearing the end.
Currently, it is very frustrating for everyone, when someone decides to "skip" a player, especially when only several minutes of over-allocation has past.• คุณใช้เบราว์เซอร์อะไร?
Google Chrome v89
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มี.ค. 23 rd 2021 14:34 • PurpleTurkey • ข้อเสนอแนะนี้ยังไม่ได้รับการวิเคราะห์โดยนักพัฒนา:
Suggestions for additional tournament setup options :
1. Option to disable the "skip" player function.
This should be clearly stated in the tournament page, so that players who like the "skip" function, do not enter the tournament.
By having this option, the game can continue until completion, even if a player's time allocation expires.
If the total game duration is exceeded, then the current rules will apply.
2. Disassociate the total game duration from the player time allocation.
In the current options, the total game duration = player time allocation x number of players.
But this results in VERY long games, which can be even worse than "skipping" players.
An option to make each player allocation independent of the game duration could be added.
In all the above scenarios, the player(s) who exceeded their time allocation, will still lose reputation points etc.
1. Option to disable the "skip" player function.
This should be clearly stated in the tournament page, so that players who like the "skip" function, do not enter the tournament.
By having this option, the game can continue until completion, even if a player's time allocation expires.
If the total game duration is exceeded, then the current rules will apply.
2. Disassociate the total game duration from the player time allocation.
In the current options, the total game duration = player time allocation x number of players.
But this results in VERY long games, which can be even worse than "skipping" players.
An option to make each player allocation independent of the game duration could be added.
In all the above scenarios, the player(s) who exceeded their time allocation, will still lose reputation points etc.
มี.ค. 31 st 2021 6:43 • Justin Jake • ข้อเสนอแนะนี้ยังไม่ได้รับการวิเคราะห์โดยนักพัฒนา:
Without the skip option, there might as well be no time limit for games.
เม.ย. 9 th 2021 5:19 • ExpendableEnsign • ข้อเสนอแนะนี้ยังไม่ได้รับการวิเคราะห์โดยนักพัฒนา:
"If the total game duration is exceeded, then the current rules will apply" is a terrible result though.
Common scenario:
Player A takes 5 mins to take first move.
Player B takes 10 mins to take first move.
Player C takes 15 mins to take first move.
Player D never plays at all.
Currently, if players are sensible, someone will skip D.
Otherwise, game ends 2 weeks later. Result: A wins, followed by B, C and D.
A huge amount of time is wasted, A gets full points for no particularly good reason and C's tournament standing is ruined by D not playing.
What really needs to happen is for D to be skipped and the other players to continue playing and for their actual results to be recorded, not voided.
Common scenario:
Player A takes 5 mins to take first move.
Player B takes 10 mins to take first move.
Player C takes 15 mins to take first move.
Player D never plays at all.
Currently, if players are sensible, someone will skip D.
Otherwise, game ends 2 weeks later. Result: A wins, followed by B, C and D.
A huge amount of time is wasted, A gets full points for no particularly good reason and C's tournament standing is ruined by D not playing.
What really needs to happen is for D to be skipped and the other players to continue playing and for their actual results to be recorded, not voided.
เม.ย. 15 th 2021 10:26 • PurpleTurkey • ข้อเสนอแนะนี้ยังไม่ได้รับการวิเคราะห์โดยนักพัฒนา:
In reply to ExpendableEnsign :
If a solution is implemented correctly, there would be no need to have tournaments with a 2 week game duration, as you suggest in your example. For the majority of tournaments, a 1 week game duration would be more than sufficient.
And the example you provide is not the main issue (someone who does not start their game) : in this case, no one has really started playing, so there is no frustration in terms of time investment. Sure, this slows down a tournament, but this has always been an "issue" with BGA tournaments.
The issue is with a game with significant progress (ie 75%) : the majority of players have invested considerable time in a game, only to have someone use the "skip" function, and cancels all the investment players have made in the game (It's not just one player, it's many players who are impacted).
And an important point : often a player use the "skip" function immediately after someone's allocated time has expired, which is abusing the fair use of the "skip" function.
And I think you will find that your final suggestion will be extremely difficult to implement for BGA (allow other players to continue playing). This will require a major change to game mechanics.
My suggestions do not require a change the game mechanics (it only restricts how a game can end).
If a solution is implemented correctly, there would be no need to have tournaments with a 2 week game duration, as you suggest in your example. For the majority of tournaments, a 1 week game duration would be more than sufficient.
And the example you provide is not the main issue (someone who does not start their game) : in this case, no one has really started playing, so there is no frustration in terms of time investment. Sure, this slows down a tournament, but this has always been an "issue" with BGA tournaments.
The issue is with a game with significant progress (ie 75%) : the majority of players have invested considerable time in a game, only to have someone use the "skip" function, and cancels all the investment players have made in the game (It's not just one player, it's many players who are impacted).
And an important point : often a player use the "skip" function immediately after someone's allocated time has expired, which is abusing the fair use of the "skip" function.
And I think you will find that your final suggestion will be extremely difficult to implement for BGA (allow other players to continue playing). This will require a major change to game mechanics.
My suggestions do not require a change the game mechanics (it only restricts how a game can end).
ส.ค. 23 rd 2021 19:33 • Vandaley • ข้อเสนอแนะนี้ยังไม่ได้รับการวิเคราะห์โดยนักพัฒนา:
This is especially a problem with simultaneous play. It is one thing is turn-by-turn play like Carcasonne where a player is playing much too slow, it is another in a game like 7 Wonders were clocks all run at the same time, it means that the total of time left for all players will always sum to less that the total time allowed for the tournament game. I have a suggestion about this here: boardgamearena.com/bug?id=41933
ต.ค. 1 st 2021 21:46 • freshhotpizzna • ข้อเสนอแนะนี้ยังไม่ได้รับการวิเคราะห์โดยนักพัฒนา:
I was in first place in a 5 player game, and the last place player skipped the (out of time) 4th place player AFTER 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place finished, invalidating the game and corrupting the resulting tournament standings. Instead of receiving full 1st place standing, I received the average penalty standing despite having already won the game.
ก.พ. 6 th 2022 19:33 • FSKFSK • ข้อเสนอแนะนี้ยังไม่ได้รับการวิเคราะห์โดยนักพัฒนา:
Tournaments right now have a pretty severe problem with absent players and severely slow players (players who only make 1-2 moves a day for a game that would take 40+ moves to finish).
My recommendations:
- Tournaments should use a Fisher clock system like regular turn-based games, something like +8 hours per move with a 1-2 day limit or other options for move frequency.
- If a player timeouts in a tournament, the game just ends rather than letting other people abuse the timeout system. (A player who is doing well in the game would want the game to finish, a player who is doing poorly in the game would want the game to be abandoned.)
- If it's a swiss tournament, a player who timeouts is kicked from the tournament, and the other players get points as if they had a bye. Those players can be paired together again if a tournament is configured for "don't pair the same players twice".
- If it's a multiplayer elimination tournament, everyone else advances even if the tournament was not configured that way. (I.e., if the tournament was "6 play 3 advance" and someone runs out of time, then the other 5 players advance.)
- If a player has too many tournament timeouts, they're banned from entering tournaments for awhile.
My recommendations:
- Tournaments should use a Fisher clock system like regular turn-based games, something like +8 hours per move with a 1-2 day limit or other options for move frequency.
- If a player timeouts in a tournament, the game just ends rather than letting other people abuse the timeout system. (A player who is doing well in the game would want the game to finish, a player who is doing poorly in the game would want the game to be abandoned.)
- If it's a swiss tournament, a player who timeouts is kicked from the tournament, and the other players get points as if they had a bye. Those players can be paired together again if a tournament is configured for "don't pair the same players twice".
- If it's a multiplayer elimination tournament, everyone else advances even if the tournament was not configured that way. (I.e., if the tournament was "6 play 3 advance" and someone runs out of time, then the other 5 players advance.)
- If a player has too many tournament timeouts, they're banned from entering tournaments for awhile.
ธ.ค. 5 th 2024 18:00 • BananaHarambe • ข้อเสนอแนะนี้ยังไม่ได้รับการวิเคราะห์โดยนักพัฒนา:
Please fix tournaments to allow organizers more options with time settings and ability to disable skipping.
Skipping currently has no consideration on whether a game will reasonably be completed on time or if it's a truly AFK player with no chance of a game finishing. Please just allow us to disable skip in tournaments and let maximum game duration take care of it.
Skipping rarely makes the tournament advance faster anyways. Players are usually waiting for another table to finish anyways.
Skipping currently has no consideration on whether a game will reasonably be completed on time or if it's a truly AFK player with no chance of a game finishing. Please just allow us to disable skip in tournaments and let maximum game duration take care of it.
Skipping rarely makes the tournament advance faster anyways. Players are usually waiting for another table to finish anyways.
ธ.ค. 6 th 2024 0:50 • Infinitum90 • ข้อเสนอแนะนี้ยังไม่ได้รับการวิเคราะห์โดยนักพัฒนา:
Especially in tournaments with 24h playtime (which is the most fair setting), a matchup of players from different regions can be hugely advantagious in terms of clock for one or the other. E.g. take an EU player who mostly plays in the afternoon and evening vs. an Asian player. It is not unlikely, that the EU player looses around 16h of clock time every day of the match. And the same applies the other way around for EU vs. NA. The maximum game time should be the hard limit on the game without any need for an option to skip on another player which offers potential abuse and impacts competitive integrity.
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- หากคุณมีภาพหน้าจอของข้อบกพร่องนี้ (แนวปฏิบัติที่ดี) คุณสามารถใช้ Imgur.com เพื่ออัปโหลดและคัดลอก / วางลิงค์ที่นี่
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bug?id=37022
